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I am not fucking "ageist" because I will not take part in a feeding frenzy of hate. Sorry. Just because I am older than you are, does not mean it is about age. And yes, I do think it is a generational thing. There are ways to say things to people without being mean. I don't understand why people think it is fun to be rude and mean and to hurt other people. I guess I have never understood this. Generally, people who are self-confident, and are happy with who they are, do not feel the need to bully other people. It's when Dad beats up Mom, then the kids witness it and Mom starts drinking to deal with it, and the kids get neglected, and then poor Sparky doesn't get fed and gets kicked around, and little Lisa starts bullying her classmates at school, where this stuff comes from. Or from parents who give their kids so much STUFF, but they work and let the kids raise themselves basically on TV and My Space. Nobody knows who they are anymore, or what is important to them. Only that in order to laugh, or feel good, they have to make someone else feel bad and cry.

You guys are pathetic.

Losers.

Get back to me in 20 years after you have had to actually live.

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You said our entire generation has no self worth and cannot speak English.

If that wasn't ageist, I don't know what is. The only reason I am coming into your journal is to tell you how much that upset me. You are preaching about niceness, and then you go and say a blatantly generalizing statement about those in their 20s.

Practice what you preach. I am very rarely offended, and you actually managed to do it. What you said was just as harsh if not harsher than the comment throughout the entire thread. And no, I guess I cannot use the English language as I obviously cannot form complete sentences.

Edited at 2008-08-31 01:58 pm (UTC)
"It's when Dad beats up Mom, then the kids witness it and Mom starts drinking to deal with it, and the kids get neglected, and then poor Sparky doesn't get fed and gets kicked around, and little Lisa starts bullying her classmates at school, where this stuff comes from."

hello massively broad generalisation. bullying comes from A LOT more than just that. you're ignorant in thinking bullies only come from 'neglectful' backgrounds, or that they're the products of their environment. A LOT of children can have the best upbringing, yet still become bullies. there are a lot more reasons to bullying than a domestically abusive background, if you were to become educated to a degree where you could understand this then who knows- maybe your points may actually be valid and worth reading?

i can't believe you're disregarding an entire generation based on the actions of a few. it's pathetic. also, it shows that you're as much a bitch as we are y/y? and that you're making a vindictive entry in your personal LJ, with the intent of belittling us, just shows you're EXACTLY THE SAME?

honest to god i'm not sure where you purchased your high horse from woman, but get the fuck off it. chances are if you're having to assure us that you "actually have had a life" (unlike me, who at 17, clearly cannot comprehend your awesomeness) then...well...you haven't. you're belittling our achievements based purely on age? when in reality, a lot of us have achieved well FOR OUR AGE. it's all subjective, tbh, as there's no way at 17 i can beat some one at 42 who has a career in ____ field, but for 17 i've achieved pretty well qualification wise and am on my way to creating a good career for myself. other girls who are in their 20s in college have done well, just because their life isn't nearly finished with (yes hello YOUR LIFE) doesn't mean it's worth less, or that they haven't accomplished anything? you're a fucking idiot.

*repaired typo*

btw i'm sure your colleagues/friends/family would be really proud of you making livejournal entries bitching out 17-25 year old girls on the internet. it really shows how intelligent, caring, and mature you are compared to us!! amirite?
'Just because I am older than you are, does not mean it is about age."

Oh? Have fun being your adolescent selves. Too bad your generation doesn't have any real self worth or you wouldn't have to spend so much time putting others down to make yourselves feel better.

Nah, not about age at all.

Sadly, you are the oldest person in that community and are acting like the biggest child. Even the original poster didn't get butthurt and run crying into her personal journal to bitch about how mean the other kids were being to her. She took it like a big girl because she knows the community dynamic.

You, madam, are a walking void. The internet these days is not what it was when you were a teen -- it exists. So therefore, I'm sure there's some sort of learning curve. The way to handle this learning curve is not to slowly ease your aching joints off your high horse and try to school us on the joys of being polite and sweet to every single poster.

Since I managed to comprehend your heinous grammatical skills and wall of text at my tender, immature age of 22, let me mention another thing -- you're projecting. Just because Daddy told you if you ever told anyone about what happened out behind the garage when Mom was at the supermarket 35 years ago does not mean everyone who snarks had a bad home life, and you're a pig for insinuating it.

This whole post is ridiculous, and while I'm sure your life is really fulfilling, trying to play Miss Manners on LIVEJOURNAL, maybe you should take up a book club or a pottery class. I hear there's a lot less cursing in Madam Bovary.

That all being said, I'm going to go enjoy a cup of coffee with my wonderful mother, do some work for my incredibly fulfilling and budding career, and then get outside on this gorgeous day. I highly suggest you either do the same or keep stewing about a bunch of 'kids' tearing you a new asshole on the internet.

I can guess which one it'll be.

All the best,
Sarah
I'm 37 and laughed heartily at the post you are moaning about. Please don't generalise so much- it's a very immature trait you know.
Also, the community the girl posted in is an advice/education com, not a "hey, check me out! How hot am I?!" attention-whore com.
Please read the user info before criticising the community. We are not there to stroke some uninformed, emo teens ego- we are there to offer advice, have articulate debates and expand knowledge of body modification (both our own and others).
The OP is the one at fault because she posted a completely irrelevant post, and she will now know that reading a community's user info is a good thing.
Hopefully you will also understand this, in time.
hahaha.
I wasn't involved in the entry that sparked this response, however I find your logic to be incredibly skewed.

I am not fucking "ageist" because I will not take part in a feeding frenzy of hate. Sorry. Just because I am older than you are, does not mean it is about age. And yes, I do think it is a generational thing.

So, it's not about age, but it is a generational thing. Is this an alternate universe in which stereotyping those of a different generation isn't judging them by age?

Then you cap it off with this: "Get back to me in 20 years after you have had to actually live." But it's not about age, right?

This all aside, I believe that honesty is a far more respectful way to treat people than molly-coddling.
I am not fucking "ageist"...

vs.

"...yes, I do think it is a generational thing."
"Get back to me in 20 years after you have had to actually live."

GRADE ON LOGIC 101 ASSIGNMENT: F
TEACHER COMMENTS: Your assumptions are horrifying, and your argument is highly hypocritical in nature.



Also, I'm fairly competent with the English language, and I'm younger than half your age. Observe:

"I am not fucking "ageist" because I will not take part in a feeding frenzy of hate. Sorry. Just because I am older than you are, [<--- improperly placed comma] does not mean it is about age. And yes, I do think it is a generational thing. There are ways to say things to people without being mean. I don't understand why people think it is fun to be rude and mean and to hurt other people [<---- awkward phrasing; try "rude, mean and hurtful" in the final draft]. I guess I have never understood this. [<---- unnecessary reiteration of previous sentence.] Generally, people who are self-confident, and are happy with who they are, [<---- awkward phrasing and punctuation usage; slightly repetitive] do not feel the need to bully other people. It's when Dad beats up Mom, [<----awkward and improper comma usage] then the kids witness it and Mom starts drinking to deal with it, and the kids get neglected, and then poor Sparky doesn't get fed and gets kicked around, and little Lisa starts bullying her classmates at school, where this stuff comes from. [<--- The way you started your sentence does not coincide with the end of the sentence. "It's when Dad beats up Mom...where this stuff comes from." Also, EXTREME run-on.] Or [<--- Do not begin sentences with conjunctions unless there is a specific stylistic purpose (which is highly unlikely to be the case in this informal paragraph).] from parents who give their kids so much STUFF, but they work and let the kids raise themselves basically on TV and My Space [<--- The spelling the website uses is "MySpace"]. Nobody knows who they are anymore, or what is important to them. Only that in order to laugh, or feel good, they have to make someone else feel bad and cry. [<--- these two sentences could use some work.]

You guys are pathetic.

Losers. [<--- "Losers" is not a sentence."]

Get back to me in 20 years after you have had to actually live."

I'm not saying I type flawlessly in my personal journal, but I think I've adequately proven that your assumptions about the literacy of the younger generations are flawed. Also, if you plan on being a grammar superiorist towards people who have grammar that is quite legible, you BETTER speak some fucking IMPECCABLE English.
You may not read this, but I sincerely hope that you do. I mean no harm or offense by this post, and I have kept it as polite and eloquent as possible for you. My apologies for the length.

I was in the same boat that you are in up until a month or two ago, dear. I understand the feeling of abhorrence when it comes to "snark," as I have felt it too. I used to think that it was completely unnecessary and did nothing but hurt people and foster negativity.

I was a "snark victim," if you will. I made a post in the community "stretched" which was positively bombarded with snarky comments. I ultimately deleted it, and for that I was snarked even further.

From that day forward, my view of "snark" was one of distaste and a personal vendetta was born. I was so upset by their (seemingly) cruel words that my judgement was clouded. I had not heard what I had wanted to hear from that snarked post, so I instantly got on the defensive and threw a months-long tantrum.

It was only once I reread my original post (by revisting my comment emails) that I realized what an idiot I had been. Had it been anyone other than I who had posted what I had posted, I would have said the exact same things to them that the snarkers had said to me.

This showed me that too often, we (we being people) are too oversensitive and take things far more personally than they are meant. No one who "snarks" someone here on Livejournal has any idea about who they are as a person. They are not attacking them personally, as that would really be uncalled for. Rather, they are pointing out the absurdity in that person's post for them to recognize and grow from.

Plus, it's often really quite amusing; though not in a "bullying" way, as you see it. We are laughing "with" them, not "at" them - they just need to learn how to laugh at themselves first for that to really show.

When you have suffered personal attacks, you tend to hold on to that defensive and injured energy unless you know how to deal with it and get rid of it. In my experience, people who object to snark (my past self included) are people who have not let go of past emotional injuries. I suggest you let go and move on, dear. Perhaps then you will be able to laugh at yourself for your recent posts, both here in your personal journal and in bodymods.

People who say that they can laugh at themselves, but then cannot do it and get their feelings hurt during certain situations, are not really able to laugh at themselves. It's all or nothing. I, myself, have learned this through snark.

Again, I hope you take the time to read this; not for my sake, but for yours. You claim that we do not care and are aiming to tear people down, when in fact it is the opposite. I care so much about your misinformed stance on "snark" that I have taken the time to write this giant post just for you to explain our situation a little better.

I (a 19 year old, wholesomely-raised, confident-yet-modest college student) look forward to your response with much anticipation.
I could not have said it better than this.
You disgust me, on so many levels. I hope I don't find myself as bitter and hypocritical as you are at 42. If you can't see your hypocrisy- well, then I'm not going to explain it to you. I will not suffer a fool. I will not pat their hand and explain why what they've done is wrong in a soft, sweet voice. It is my personal choice NOT to coddle the willfully ignorant.

I'm well-educated, articulate, and an entrepreneur. I take care of my disabled father, work, and take care of the house as well, because my mother works approximately 50 hours a week. I'm an artist, I dance, I read, I write, I do the best I can at everything, I take care of and give freely to those I love.

And I'm 22 years old. Because of THAT, my age, I'm a loser? And I haven't "actually lived"? HA. HAHA. You have no idea of my life story, how I grew up, or the person it made me, and you DARE to judge me? You're doing EXACTLY what you've condemned us for. YOU are the bully. You ARE what you profess to hate. You hypocrite. You filthy, jealous, nasty old woman. I'll enjoy my successful youth, you're free to count the days until you die. You're more than halfway there- spend that time judging, please, I love to see morons waste their lives. Self-indulgent drivel, indeed.
It's so obvious: The Internet offers the cowards who would not dare say the same things to your face the anonymity and stealth they need to say anything they want without fear of retribution, so they do. It's a release: It's the 14 snarky comments they didn't make all day long to their family, friends, and coworkers, because they would become hated in their personal life and unemployed in their professional life, so they bottle up their angst and sarcasm out of fear and cowardice, then while "relaxing" on the Internet look for anyone to unleash it on.

Anyone who has to tear you down is doing it to build themselves up. They see their own faults and failings but those are not so easy to fix, so they look for yours; those they can comment on and "fix" right away - or so they think. Also, they see what they've done in life that is good and right that no one ever acknowledges, since people are drawn to the negative and usually only criticize if it's a choice between that or giving praise. So they become exactly what they hate the most: blunt, critical, unforgiving, petty, obnoxious people who simply return to others what they are given themselves.

I haven't read far enough back through your journal to know what caused all this ruckus but you're on my Flist so I'm commenting because I feel sorry for you: I'm older too, and I get why the younger set is pissing you off, but they are young, so you should overlook a lot on account of that.

They are raised in front of the TV and Internet; they measure success in life materially, and are, in many ways, not just dysfunctional but an alien breed, incapable of knowing our thoughts, feelings, or past lives. But for the most part they don't know any better, so you should forgive them. They couldn't choose who raised them, how they were raised, or how they came out because of it. You can't make something right if you don't even know what's wrong - can you? They don't know what's wrong; they just know what they know, think what they think, and do what they do.

Want to blow them away? Blow them off. Ignore them, or tell them they're wrong and why and move on. Don't take it personally. Don't keep arguing. And don't think it's just the younger set that is capable of such rudeness. It takes all kinds, I tell you; it takes all kinds. I see a lot of amazing youth today; I see a lot who leave me cold. It takes all kinds.

One thing, though: if anyone tried to correct my much less than perfect English (I'm capable of much better than this but I'm a huge fan of writing the way I talk) I wouldn't care. Constructive criticism? Wowser bowser, we usually have to pay people for that! Or beg them to give it to us. I'll take it for free and without having to ask for it anytime. That said, I thought the OP got the point across perfectly; it was an emotional rant, and worded exactly the way one might expect it to be worded. It doesn't need any of the corrections mentioned above by another commenter because it was not intended as an example of formal writing, after all. How silly.

I don't think the part in the OP about how badly young people write was intended as criticism of every mistake in their writing, either. !WARNING - Huge run-on sentence!---> I think it was intended to point out that often young people: 1) don't CAPITALIZE the beginning of their sentences, 2) misspell common words when there is just no excuse for it, 3) use l33t5p3ak which is like decoding hieroglyphics for the uninitiated and 4) fail to write coherently.<---End of huge run-on sentence!

She's pointing out a certain slovenliness that is the hallmark of today's communications. And she's right to do so. There is still a right and a wrong way to do everything, and how to write English is no exception to that rule. You can't just make up your own rules as you go along and expect the rest of us to be OK with that. I happen to be a huge fan of run-on sentences, though, if the above sentence is any indication. I actually want to write a book someday, maybe up to 5,000 words, without ever breaking it into paragraphs. Now that would be fun!
This entire comment is incorrect. I'd go through and pinpoint every instance of fail, but it's just all wrong. Good job!
"This entire comment is incorrect." Which entire comment is incorrect? Just because you nested your reply under my comment does not mean you're referring to my comment. Which comment are you referring to? "Your entire comment is incorrect" (if indeed you are referring to my comment) is a much better way to put it.

"I'd go through and pinpoint every instance of fail, but it's just all wrong." You'd pinpoint every instance of what? "Fail" does not occur in "instances". Failure does. You, for example, have suffered a massive failure to communicate. I have duly recorded one instance on this journal.

Also, the use of the word "just" in the above context is redundant; it is only necessary to say "it's all wrong"; what is the word "just" adding in terms of emphasis? Nothing. It's merely another layer of undefinable bullshit that you chose to include.

"Good job!" Let me get this straight: Although your comment is entirely incoherent, I get the "feeling" that you don't like the comment I made - if in fact you are even referring to my comment, which no one can be sure of until you explain what you wrote. Yet you are too "slovenly" to explain yourself, trailing off instead with a compliment; you say I did "good job" on it.

I don't give a flying fuck what you think. Anything else?
Your comment, in its entirety, is full of incorrect statements. I'm not one of the people to sit around and correct grammar, spelling, etc. - that's not my thing. I leave that to people who only have that to lean on, in times of criticism. However, I will reiterate that every single statement you made under the veil of being a fact - incorrect. Wrong. Not right. Fail. Yes, fail. Don't know what "fail" is, in this instance? Lurk moar.

If you didn't "give a flying fuck what [I] think" - you wouldn't have responded with such a long-winded response. Again... good job.
If you're too incoherent to explain what you mean by "Your comment, in it's entirety, is full of incorrect statements" then you shouldn't be commenting.

You come off like a wanking, immature ass. I don't give a flying fuck what you think but I'd still love to hear it - if only you'd break out of your snark-induced stupor long enough to elucidate why what I wrote strikes you as "incorrect". That's called "communicating" with me - something you obviously haven't learned how to do.

You are a perfect example, to a T, of the "slovenishness" of today's youth that I hinted at in my first comment. You're not funny, you're not cool, and you can't finish what you started because it would require too much energy - wouldn't it? On top of that, I'm supposed to be insulted by that attitude of yours, am I not? I'm not insulted. I'm amused.
There is no further explanation needed. You made statements that you purported to be facts. They are incorrect. Your opinions are based on these incorrect facts, therefore, your comment is full of bullshit... and is full of fail.

I don't belong to "today's youth" but thank you for continuing to perpetuate your friend's misguided ageism. You come off as a bitter old cunt with a crotch filled with more sand than the Sahara, but hey, if you feel like taking the depression caused by your advancing senior years out on me... no big deal. Better me than someone who takes life too seriously and can't handle malcontent old biddies.

No, you're not supposed to be insulted. If I wanted to truly insult you, I'd have gone through and torn the original comment apart, throwing in plenty of personal insults which would have been based on my bothering to go through your journal and other sources to gain information about you. However, I don't feel that motivated or mean today. So, by all means, continue wasting your time and assuming things to be true that are not.

Enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend! :D
hahaha.
Read it before I commented. Like I don't have eyes.
Then apparently you have no sense of logic.
Also, since you seem not to understand the errors in your post without readysteadystop pointing them out, I will do you the favor. It will be in two installments, since LJ won't allow more than 4300 characters in one comment.

PART 1:

It's so obvious: The Internet offers the cowards who would not dare say the same things to your face the anonymity and stealth they need to say anything they want without fear of retribution, so they do.
I'm sorry, I don't remember you saying that you have a PhD in psychology with a specialty in internet sociology. You have no authority to generalize or to state uncited "facts" like this. The only way I can imagine you came to this conclusion is that you're speaking from personal experience and are way more bitchy online... which appears to be true, since I can't imagine someone as bitchy as your comment colors you to be making such remarks offline.

It's a release: It's the 14 snarky comments they didn't make all day long to their family, friends, and coworkers, because they would become hated in their personal life and unemployed in their professional life, so they bottle up their angst and sarcasm out of fear and cowardice, then while "relaxing" on the Internet look for anyone to unleash it on.
I'm sorry, I don't remember you saying that you have a PhD in psychology with a specialty in internet sociology. You have no authority to generalize or to state uncited "facts" like this. The only way I can imagine you came to this conclusion is that you're speaking from personal experience and are way more bitchy online... which appears to be true, since I can't imagine someone as bitchy as your comment colors you to be making such remarks offline.

Anyone who has to tear you down is doing it to build themselves up. They see their own faults and failings but those are not so easy to fix, so they look for yours; those they can comment on and "fix" right away - or so they think. Also, they see what they've done in life that is good and right that no one ever acknowledges, since people are drawn to the negative and usually only criticize if it's a choice between that or giving praise.
I'm sorry, I don't remember you saying that you have a PhD in psychology with a specialty in internet sociology. You have no authority to generalize or to state uncited "facts" like this. The only way I can imagine you came to this conclusion is that you're speaking from personal experience and are way more bitchy online... which appears to be true, since I can't imagine someone as bitchy as your comment colors you to be making such remarks offline.

So they become exactly what they hate the most: blunt, critical, unforgiving, petty, obnoxious people who simply return to others what they are given themselves.
Once again: Speaking from personal experience? LISTEN TO YOURSELF. Say it with me: hy - po - cri - sy.

I haven't read far enough back through your journal to know what caused all this ruckus
http://community.livejournal.com/bodymods/2109804.html?thread=22778220#t22778220

I'm older too, and I get why the younger set is pissing you off, but they are young, so you should overlook a lot on account of that.
Please, tell me how being older makes one more mature. You're obviously a shining example.

They are raised in front of the TV and Internet
If TV and Internet existed when you were young, you'd have been raised in front of it too. *sizzle*

they measure success in life materially
Who does? The millions of adolescents you've studied getting your psychology and/or sociology degree? Oh, wait, nevermind.

and are, in many ways, not just dysfunctional but an alien breed, incapable of knowing our thoughts, feelings, or past lives.
Hey, cool, you guys! Anyone under 30 was born to abusive extraterrestrial parents and lacks telepathic, empathic, and psychic superpowers. I never knew.

But for the most part they don't know any better, so you should forgive them. They couldn't choose who raised them, how they were raised, or how they came out because of it.
So now you assume that all of us had a poor upbringing and that our parents are somehow dysfunctional? That is downright uncalled for and vastly immature. Simply disgusting.
There are no errors in my post. That's where you and the fleabag who started this shit with me are wrong. I did not call what I wrote "statements of fact". Where in my comment did I say that? These are my personal opinions, gathered from my first-hand experiences, observations, what people tell me about their own lives, and so on. If you people don't know the difference between "statements of fact" and "my personal opinions" then don't comment. You're just making yourselves look stupid, irrational, and hyper-sensitive to say such things when obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Do comments need to come with warning labels these days? Do I have to write !Warning: Statement of Fact! or !Warning: Statement of Opinion! just to sort it out for you fleabrains? Come on, you all claim you're intelligent, right? Then stop insulting my intelligence with bullshit.

Now, if even one you had said to me something like, "Uh, don't you think you're being a bit harsh in your opinion toward younger people and what happens on the Web in general?" that would be different. Because in fact, I was too harsh, and I knew it even before what's-his-face up there wrote his first reply to me. I was tired and a bit crabby yesterday so I started generalizing - it's easier for me to generalize than to actually think when I'm tired, so yes, I made some mistakes in my commentary. My comment wasn't well-written or informative; it was, in fact, my opinion, and it was badly put at that. A lot of it I should've kept to myself or thought over more carefully before I posted it. But no one was even remotely coherent or civil with me in responding to what I had to say. Instead of clear communication all I got was lies about me "stating fact", which I never claimed I was, and other bullshit. And you wonder why I don't care what any of you think? I just don't.
The thing is, when you make a claim (as in saying something that implies a thought process of "THINGS ARE THIS WAY AND NO OTHER WAY," like your ENTIRE post was), people will assume that you are attempting to state your opinions as facts. We know that they're your opinions because not only are you not qualified to state facts in that field, your opinions are so far off that it is obvious that they are untrue. Hence, us telling you that you are WRONG.

There is no use being polite to someone who was as completely and utterly bitchy as you were. I'm not going to sweeten up my words for you when you behave like an infant.

You're just making yourselves look stupid, irrational, and hyper-sensitive to say such things when obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

Couldn't have said it better myself... about you.

yes, I made some mistakes in my commentary. My comment wasn't well-written or informative; it was, in fact, my opinion, and it was badly put at that. A lot of it I should've kept to myself or thought over more carefully before I posted it.

See, you admit here that your argument was flawed. YET you were so beligerent in insisting to have its flaws pointed out to you, and even still, aside from these few sentences, you continue to defend it.

And you wonder why I don't care what any of you think? I just don't.
Then shut up already. Jesus.

Edited at 2008-09-02 03:48 am (UTC)

Part I

You just can't get enough of your huffy, hyper-sensitive, rude, snippy little self, can you? What's wrong, little one, did I hurt your feelings? Do you need your bottle and blankie now? Maybe it's nap time. What is it? No one's acting like an infant but you, all huffy and puffy because I hurt your precious goddamn feelings. Can't handle it? Go have a nervous breakdown over me and get it over with.

"The thing is, when you make a claim ...people will assume that you are attempting to state your opinions as facts."

That is a bizarre and irrational statement that proves you have no ability to think critically and/or objectively. Are you trying to tell me that I should assume all people (not just you) think in such a bizarre and irrational pattern? Do yourself a favor. Don't try to speak for "people". You are the furthest thing from a normal person that there is, judging by that comment. I hope you can see it someday. You are out of your fucking mind.

"We know that they're your opinions because not only are you not qualified to state facts in that field, your opinions are so far off that it is obvious that they are untrue."

How do you know I'm unqualified to speak on ANYTHING? How do you know what degrees I hold or what I do for a living or what I'm trained to do for a living? And why do you keep going back to formal education as a prerequisite for speaking one's mind? No one is allowed to have any opinion on a subject at all unless they are FORMALLY EDUCATED in the subject first? What a strange little mindfuck you are. Now I not only have to preface my comments with warning labels to explain them to retards like you, but I have to mail you my college degree before I can comment? Im not ALLOWED to stat emy opinion otherwise, because horrors, my comment might OFFEND you?Tough shit. I'm glad it did. Did I mention Hitler seemed like a nice laid-back guy compared to control-freaky YOU? And yes, I did just invoke Godwin's law, which reads like this: "go fuck yourself".

"Hence, us telling you that you are WRONG."

You're getting a lot of satisfaction out of that, aren't you? OMFG, I was...WRONG??? Wow! I have to go, what? Kill myself now or something? Don't you wish I would? Oh, the guilt! Oh, the horror! I just can't take it anymore! Oh, no, I offended you somehow! Oh noes!

"There is no use being polite to someone who was as completely and utterly bitchy as you were. I'm not going to sweeten up my words for you when you behave like an infant."

"Waaah! I you can't handle your opinion! Waaah!" That's what you're really saying. You are falling apart over my opinion like a three year old having a temper tantrum. Get over it. Get a life. I don't care if you're "sweetening up your words". What's wrong, think I can't handle it? This here is like play school compared to some of the people I have dealt with, and you are like a rotten spoiled child compared to the real meanies out there. I'm not worried about it. Carry on.

"Couldn't have said it better myself... about you."

Oooooooooh, touche! So clever! Not.

continued...

Part II - and the Startling Conclusion, You Bitch

"See, you admit here that your argument was flawed. YET you were so beligerent in insisting to have its flaws pointed out to you.."

I don't know if you're aware of it, or what communist/facist/nazi fucking country you reside in, but where I live, in America, we have this crazy concept you may not be familiar with called "freedom of speech". That means I'll say whatever the fuck I want, I'll ask any fucking questions I feel like asking, and I'll demand any fucking answers I feel like demanding. You jumped in between me and what's-his-face for this? To put me down so you could feel better about what I said the first time around? Fine. Do you feel better now? You're not affecting me. You can't because you're nuts. I don't take nuts seriously. I do take them with salt, though - they taste pretty good that way.

"...and even still, aside from these few sentences, you continue to defend it."

You know, I'm getting tired of this little song and dance from you. Where did I mention that I was defending what I said in my first comment? I didn't. You are simply blinded by your tantrum-y emotions...what I call CRAZY.

"Then shut up already. Jesus."

You accuse me now of coming here too often when I only replied to two of the 500 comments you left me, when I have not replied to most of the comments others left me, and when I do not care what you think of me or my comments. Amazing. You are a one-woman (woman? perhaps you are man, who knows) SHOW. This isn't even your journal, so where do YOU get the right to tell me to shut up and go away? She is MY friend, which means I'll hang out here as long as I fucking feel like it, and I'll report you for harassment if YOU don't go away. How do you like them apples, you little whackjob?

Edited at 2008-09-02 05:17 am (UTC)

Re: Part II - and the Startling Conclusion, You Bitch

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, this is priceless. Oh, thank you. You are a triumph among idiots.

(Anonymous)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, YOU are priceless. Oh, thank YOU. YOU are the triumph among idiots - and YOU are batshit insane.

Note to self: when you say "most people of a certain age" are this or that you're stating it as a fact! And everyone should take it as you stating it as a fact and get all butt-hurt/batshit insane over it!

For the last time, you little crybaby: Get over it. And yes, get off my lawn! And go get yourself some Xanax..."HAHAHAHAHAHA" is not a normal reaction in this case unless you are batshit insane. You need to calm the fuck down!

While you are crazily stomping out your next 40 replies to me I will be calmly living my life, as I was while you were busy stomping out the last dozen or so bits of nonsense you wrote; I may check back to see what you add to this insanity of yours, or I may not. The silence from me might drive you even crazier; it seemed to do quite the job on you just in the 24 hours you went without the reply you so desperately craved from me, because I am your life. Maybe I'll keep you waiting two or three days this time before I reply again. Maybe I won't reply at all. Maybe I'll report you to LiveJournal for harassment and get it over with. HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, YOU are priceless. Oh, thank YOU. YOU are the triumph among idiots - and YOU are batshit insane.

Note to self: when you say "most people of a certain age" are this or that you're stating it as a fact! And everyone should take it as you stating it as a fact and get all butt-hurt/batshit insane over it!

For the last time, you little crybaby: Get over it. And yes, get off my lawn! And go get yourself some Xanax..."HAHAHAHAHAHA" is not a normal reaction in this case unless you are batshit insane. You need to calm the fuck down!

While you are crazily stomping out your next 40 replies to me I will be calmly living my life, as I was while you were busy stomping out the last dozen or so bits of nonsense you wrote; I may check back to see what you add to this insanity of yours, or I may not. The silence from me might drive you even crazier; it seemed to do quite the job on you just in the 24 hours you went without the reply you so desperately craved from me, because I am your life. Maybe I'll keep you waiting two or three days this time before I reply again. Maybe I won't reply at all. Maybe I'll report you to LiveJournal for harassment and get it over with. HAHAHAHAHA
How's getting the last word going for you?
I love that you refer to me as a "fleabag" when your attitude and outlook on life has pretty much destined you to end up as one of those crazy, bitter catladies and that you assume I'm male.

You are the only one who comes off as crazy in any of the responses. You are the only one who really needs to step away from the keyboard, because all you're doing is rambling with your contradictions and nonsense. You're the one busting out personal attacks on us and other people and assuming you know why we're doing the things we do, calling us losers, telling us to grow up, get lives, etc. And yet, you've spent more time on this than any of us.

So, like starlight_art asked... how's that working out for you?

Calm the fuck down before you stroke out, ya old bat.
I love that you refer to me a "cunt"; it proves you hate women and like to use the vulgar names of body parts for them when they disagree with you. What a touch of class you did not add to your uninvited, unwelcome pitiful excuse for a "debate", you misogynistic fleabag.

"crazy, bitter catladies"

Oh, that is funny. Thank you. You youngs have provided me with an endless amount of entertainment trying to act like you're all grown and know what you're talking about. You're full of hot air and speciousness. You are like little fleas walking the Earth, nipping at the ankles of those who dislike you. Well, I dislike you. Nip at my ankles all you want. It really makes me laugh. Fleas are not worth getting all excited about.

"rambling...contradictions..nonsense"

No, you have that all wrong. But none of you has any reading comprehension or ability to step into the shoes of someone who does not like you, so I don't expect the narrow, limited minds that keep presenting thmselves to me for inspection and attention here to understand.

And how's what working out for me? I spent about 5 minutes a piece on reply comments to one so-called person, and a few seconds each on comments to you. Meanwhile, you worthless, insecure cretins have nothng better to do than re-read this thread constantly, email it to your friends, discuss it on your journals, reply to me trying to act like you're not all butt-hurt and irrational over what I wrote, and so on. This is almost like my own little fan club. Wow! All this attention just for me! Who has the life again? Not you guys. I do things like work and raise my family and stay off the fucking Internet while you guys pick my comments apart and try to craft "snarky" enough replies to them. You guys need LIVES. Or you need mental help. Maybe both.

And like I said, this LJ belongs to my friend, not yours....I'll chill out here and enjoy the show as long as I want. First you harass my friend in someone else's journal for her OPINION, and now you harass her and me in her journal for our OPINIONS? And WHO has no life? YOU. YOU. YOU. Get over us olds. We seem to bother the fuck out of your tight, over-sensitive little asses, and I can't see why, but it does make me laugh and laugh.

"Waaaah! She said mean things about me mom! What a CUNT! Waaaah!" You fuckers crack me up.

Edited at 2008-09-02 04:17 pm (UTC)
http://www.amazon.com/Cunt-Declaration-Independence-Expanded-Updated/dp/1580050751/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220372189&sr=8-1 - You should read that book. It's rather liberating. Thank you for continuing to assume ridiculous things about me. I'm getting a good laugh :)

Again, I'm not as young as you think, hon. I'm not excited over anything, other than snickering at your idiocy. Nobody emailed anything, nobody is re-reading it, nobody is spending more time on this than you are. I work, I have a family and a home, I have a life. You are writing far longer responses than I... so how's that lack of logic working out for you?

Your friend was in MY LiveJournal community, running her mouth where it wasn't welcome. Get your facts straight, before you blast me - or anyone else - for things you know very little about :)

Re: Part II - and the Startling Conclusion, You Bitch

communist/facist/nazi fucking country

LOL Godwin's Law
PART 2:

You can't make something right if you don't even know what's wrong - can you? They don't know what's wrong; they just know what they know, think what they think, and do what they do.
I have willpower, just like you do. I have a working brain, unlike you. I have control of my motor skills and thought process, just like you do.

Want to blow them away? Blow them off. Ignore them, or tell them they're wrong and why and move on. Don't take it personally. Don't keep arguing.
Oh yes, I see the lack of hypocrisy here. Well played.

And don't think it's just the younger set that is capable of such rudeness. It takes all kinds, I tell you; it takes all kinds.
Yes, tell glory_and_grace not to assume it's just the younger people who are capable of rudeness. She already knows SHE is capable of it, and now she knows that you are as well.

That said, I thought the OP got the point across perfectly; it was an emotional rant, and worded exactly the way one might expect it to be worded. It doesn't need any of the corrections mentioned above by another commenter because it was not intended as an example of formal writing, after all. How silly.
However, you just said corrections are welcome - it's getting something you normally pay for for free. Whoopie!

I don't think the part in the OP about how badly young people write was intended as criticism of every mistake in their writing, either. !WARNING - Huge run-on sentence!---> I think it was intended to point out that often young people: 1) don't CAPITALIZE the beginning of their sentences, 2) misspell common words when there is just no excuse for it, 3) use l33t5p3ak which is like decoding hieroglyphics for the uninitiated and 4) fail to write coherently.<---End of huge run-on sentence!
This is a choice. As you can see, I have fabulous grammar and spelling and am able to eloquently express myself, a thing which I pride myself on. However, I "speak Internet-speak," if you will, and will use it if I feel the situation calls for it (such as if I am being silly versus serious).

Certainly, some adolescents today do not have quite the vocabulary that I nor some others have. Some adolescents misspell commonly confused words. I feel saddened by this and wish that our education system was better here in the United States (cough, Bush, cough). However, these people do not represent the majority of young adults on the internet - they represent the loudest and most obnoxious of the pre-teen and young teen age genre.

She's pointing out a certain slovenliness that is the hallmark of today's communications. And she's right to do so.
No, she's not, because it does not apply to whom she's trying to make it apply. We are older than she assumes we are.

There is still a right and a wrong way to do everything, and how to write English is no exception to that rule. You can't just make up your own rules as you go along and expect the rest of us to be OK with that. I happen to be a huge fan of run-on sentences, though, if the above sentence is any indication. I actually want to write a book someday, maybe up to 5,000 words, without ever breaking it into paragraphs. Now that would be fun!
Have fun getting that published, dear.
Way off-topic here, but I LOVE YOUR ICON. I LOVE IT IN ALL CAPS.
"Get back to me in 20 years after you have had to actually live."

But you'll be senile by then and won't remember us.
shes just gonna tell us to get off her lawn D:
ok everyone, enough already. I left the group, please leave my LJ alone now. I haven't left any comments to what anyone has said in days. I have let everyone had their say, I have been quiet, but really - enough. I am not even involved in this argument anymore. Would you mind just taking this argument / discussion / whatever elsewhere?
Gracie01

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